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Faith, Healing & Holistic Sobriety: Dr. Sarah Nasir on the Mind-Body-Spirit Connection in Recovery | Part 2

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Faith, Healing & Holistic Sobriety: Dr. Sarah Nasir on the Mind-Body-Spirit Connection in Recovery | Part 2

In Part 2 of this powerful convo, Nadine chats with Dr. Sarah Nasir about spirituality, Islam, and the mind-body-soul connection in addiction recovery. Learn how faith, holistic wellness, and her Transcendent U program help women heal. 

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the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Welcome back butterflies to the Sober Butterfly. We are still here with Dr. Sarah Nasir, and she has shared so much incredible wisdom and insights around how the brain can be impacted by blackouts and binge drinking. And then also just in terms of how our bodies with diligence and discipline and support can actually heal itself depending on the severity of the use. But for the most part there was hope. And so I would love to also discuss with you, Dr. Sarah, this idea around the body mind. Soul connection. I think it's rare, and when I say rare, I mean that in the most beautiful way, but it's rare for me to hear an MD discuss. Spirituality or you know, the idea of the soul being a part of who we are and a part of our healing process. So can you talk to us a little bit about what role spirituality or religion plays in healing a patient or just healing in general?

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Yeah, I'll be happy to. And actually, just to do one correction, and maybe that's why I am able to talk about this in a way, is that I'm actually a do of

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Oh, sorry.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Don't apologize. This is such a common you know, confusion because what we normally see is MD and it has, it's basically the first line of medicine that was around. And Dr. Taylor Steele, who I mentioned earlier, the founder of Osteopathy he was an MD and he founded osteopathy. And it also is that there are a lot of MDs who are spiritually minded and driven and focused. I was actually talking with a mentor and he's an md and we were having the spirituality discussion just re you know, just a few months ago. And so, and he was saying that actually it's really funny. Let me share the study that we were learning about when we were studying for our test is that uh, there were some. Questions asked to the medical students as well as you know, people drinking alcohol, uh, to rank what are the different areas of their know, different areas that are more important to them. And the medical students chose like housing insecurity, financial distress, et cetera. And then they ranked God and spirituality at the very bottom.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Oh.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

However, when the patients were asked the same questions, they actually started with like God and. Relationship as the first things that are important to them, and then housing and other things. They're important, but they ranked them lower.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Mm.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

So spirituality is a huge portion of, you know, what I see when people are trying to recover, whether they're going through the 12 step program you know, alcoholic Anonymous or Narcotic Anonymous, that spirituality, that concept that. You know, there's a higher power to answer to Some of the principles of 12 Steps program is that you have to acknowledge that you have a problem that you need help with, right? spirituality plays a huge role. And there have been many of people who have used their faith to, you know, support them through this difficult journey. When they're having withdrawal symptoms, they're having cravings. You know, they're not realizing that the. Biochemical imbalance in their body can also be supported with you know, chemical, uh, prescriptions, which is what we do as doctors, right? And then the other aspect of it is that, that soul,'cause we talked about how the soul, you know, is the one that's driving the vehicle, that's the body and making all the decisions. So, those are many ways that people of different denominations and faith they ascribe to, regards to my personal faith you know, I, I was talking with my mentor about how alcohol is dealt with and from the Islamic historical perspective.'cause I'm a Muslim and I follow Islam we're actually forbidden to drink alcohol from the get go. Like, it's actually considered a sin at this point. But. Islam was first revealed. I just love the way that God helped people come off of alcohol before it was like forbidden. He didn't just come and be like, God just didn't say like you, you can't drink alcohol. But he took steps as well to kind of train us to the early Muslims to come off of alcohol and not drink it. the Arabs at the time when Islam was first revealed they were drinking heavily. It was, they were drinking as much as people nowadays are drinking it. Right? And it was as important to their culture, their social gatherings to have a drink of alcohol. And so when first it was was removed in three steps. The first thing that was done was it was just like God just said, like, yes, there's fun things in alcohol, but it, there is more evil in it than there's good in it and that it is the mother of all evil. So

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Wow.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

like labeled it like as that. So just like first that. it in the consciousness that, you know, we didn't think about it that way, that, you know, it could be harming us. So first the thought was put in that this is not the best thing for you and it's actually harming you. thing that was done was that it was said that if you're gonna come and pray, like don't approach prayers. When you're under influence, it's like, don't drive when you're drunk, basically. Right? Don't pray while you're drunk. And so, which was hard because at that time we were told to pray five times a day.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Okay.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

if you are drinking, then you don't have enough time to get sober and time to pray

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

it.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

an alternative. was first established. So first the prayers were established, then the recommendation was put that, or the, the law was put that don't approach prayers under influence.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Mm-hmm.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

So then there was that de distraction detraction. And so people were slowly kind of letting go because they cared more about their relationship with God and the high that they got from that. Closeness, that connection with something superior and with themselves. So connection replaced that drive or desire for alcohol. And then when the final commandment came that don't drink alcohol, I. It's forbidden for you. People as soon as like the, the town crier went running and it's like, don't drink alcohol. Alcohol is now forbidden. Everybody was like just pouring their wine on the streets without even having a second thought about it. As well as you know, there was somebody, some people who were like, ha, like, were like about to put it in their mouth and then, you know, they just poured it out. And then there were some people who had it in. Side their mouth about to drink it, they spit it out and some people actually went and they vomited as well. So that was the level of love they had for a higher connection than what this material brought in their lives.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

I think it's so beautiful on the idea that it was a gradual release framework. It wasn't just a decree like immediately everyone must stop drinking. It was done with love and intention, it sounds like, and a way to set people up for success so I love that aspect. And like to your point around what people realized. Through that process? Is that what they were craving? It sounds like, wasn't the alcohol, it was the connection, that connection to a higher being. Yeah, the, the experience. Right. Having a connection to a higher power. I think is what so many people are missing, and something I'm dealing with right now in my life is this social, like spiritual, I should say, deficit in certain areas. Like I definitely feel disconnected and that is. A little bit remnant of how I felt when I first started on my sober journey, and that is why I do believe that, you know, sobriety, yes, there is on paper being dry and not drinking. But then there's also this other term that comes into play, which is being a dry drunk, which is like you feel spiritually bankrupt, right? Like you feel like you don't have anything inside, too poor. To other people or like feeling alone. And that's why so many people drink as well, right? Like they feel isolated and they say the opposite of addiction is connection and all of these things. So it's just, this is a great reminder for me to hear just how everything comes. Into play and I didn't know the difference between MD and do so, thank you so much for sharing that with us because that makes a lot more sense in terms of what you were mentioning before, like your guiding holistic approach to how you. Interview your patients and how you help treat and heal your patients. It's not just looking at one separate entity. It's like understanding that everything absolutely works in tandem to collectively help someone become a better version of self. So I love that. Thank you for sharing that with, that's Dr. Sarah.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Of course, my pleasure. And, you know, this is kind of what gives me the high that I. Love and I live and I chase right now is that, that I believe, this is my personal philosophy is that, you know, we spiritual beings in made flesh, basically, right? Because the body is the thing that time decays. But the soul is the thing that can. It, it's, it's the thing that we believe was there before and it's gonna continue to be there after the body is gone. So, so I've found that when you feed your soul and you take care of your soul, that is, as you said, that is the. I think in Chinese, the word is Dante, the elixir of life. In, in Tai Chi, that's the word that they

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Yeah.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

That is the, uh, reservoir that goes, and it nurtures every other part of you. what I'm finding is that connection, depending on what type of connection it is, some connections drain you.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Mm-hmm.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Right. It doesn't recharge you. It doesn't replenish you, it just takes away from you. So those are the things that leave you feeling hollow, empty, isolated, lonely, used up. You know,'cause there are some, you know, personalities that'll just come, take, take, take, take. And once they're done with you, they'll move on to the next. In many ways and, and a lot of my patients are victims of trauma from those types of en engagements and interactions. Then there is the other type of The connection that just. Fills you and, and, and it like, it's like rain falling on a, on a hole. It just like fills it up and then that continues to overflow and goes and nurtures everybody and everything else in your life. And I believe that the connection with the higher power is one of. The connections that replenishes the soul because I believe that the soul is an extension. You know, it's from a part of that higher power. And that's why when we are connected to the source, we get recharged. And when you're around people who are, you know, constantly in that higher frequency and in that higher you know. situation. Just being around them, it recharges you and boosts you at the same time. Like sunflowers, they're all standing in the sun and they're just like, ah, I'm just like gonna follow the sun. Or solar panels another option if you want the tech aspect. and then way you don't feel the loneliness. Because you know that even though you don't have another human being around you, you know, sometimes animals do that for you too.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Yeah.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

know, that's so, there's that so, uh, spiritual aspect and then that social aspect connects into that. Right? And then a lot of times that goes into the last, uh, dimension that I talk about. I'm skipping the financial dimension here right now. Is that, you know, that's why people want to create a legacy and leave it behind because they want to feel that sensation of being connected. Something that continues to, know, keep them in people's memories or you know, that impact. impact also is something that recharges us when we see it. So these are the things that I'm seeing and this is what I use when I'm using in my coaching to create, you know, guide transcendence. That's my coaching program. Transcendent

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

I love that.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

And you know, I define transcendence as inspired souls who transcend their limits. with their limitless soul. Harness the power of purpose because we're all here for some very good reason. And I think when we reject our purpose is when we start to become bitter, shrivel up to not good people. And then the last one is to live a life of design that's fulfilling and thrilling. And the way to achieve that transcendence is through. these six dimensions. And that's what I use not only with my patients who are struggling with any different aspect of health, but mainly addiction. You know, individuals who are trying to transcend in other aspects of their lives, trying to live their purpose. You know, so that's kind of what I'm doing in my life right now. I feel like it is feeding my soul. It is helping me meet amazing people like you, Nadine as well as creating that impact that I'm trying to do.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

I love that so much, and it sounds like you have found purpose, which is maybe why you feel full. Can you remind us again, Dr. Sarah, the six tenets so that people can maybe dial in and obviously connect with you if they would like to understand more about these tenants?

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Yeah. So, there's actually, so I have the pillars of transcendent,

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

or transcendence. Okay.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

transcending your limits right in your head around

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Okay.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

connecting with your limitless soul,

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Okay.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

uh, harnessing the power of your purpose. And living a fulfilling and thrilling life of design. And the way to do it is through balancing the six dimensions, homeostasis. I think it's so amazing. Mind, body, spirit, social, financial, and aspirational.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

it. That is brilliant. I know that you mentioned that you work with a lot of clients who have, I. Either dealt with or currently working through some addiction issues, whether that be codependency or just maybe drinking more or using more than they would like to or any of these women Muslim as well, because it sounds like from understanding a little bit more about your faith. It is forbidden to drink or I'm assuming also use substances, and forgive me if that's ignorant. I'm just genuinely curious.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

No, no. I'm so glad you asked that question because that's another area of. Interest and passion that I'm trying to delve into. I believe addiction is really real in the Muslim community. Uh, and it's not just women, but also

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Mm-hmm.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

and a lot of them stem from these unbalanced dimensions, you

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Okay.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

and not connecting with themselves and not knowing what they want. However, the problem is, this is such a stigma in the community. You know, oftentimes people don't believe that depression exists. You know, they're just totally bypassing

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

see.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

the mind.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Yeah.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

So I think in the non-Muslim Western culture, that acknowledgement of I. health is more prominent and it's starting to pick up, but yet still, it's a very shameful thing to talk about. Once again, that stigma comes in. So I do encourage, you know, if you are somebody who identifies as Muslim and you're somebody who feels bad about the substances that you're using, be it alcohol, be it marijuana, or one of the other substances you know. Uh, seek help. It, it doesn't have to be shameful. God is forgiving. You know how you said earlier that we're imperfect beings? And you know, there's a beauty in

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Mm-hmm.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

because in the process of striving and once again to transcend when we aim for those higher grounds that transformation is so beautiful. You know, Nadine, I'm gonna use your, your story here as an example where you mentioned that one, you know, four years ago you were drinking more than you did. Did you ever think at that time that you would be here today, a successful hostess of a beautiful podcast, bringing hope to so many, touching so many lives? you think about, you think about doing that before you started drinking and your imperfection. more, you know, intensified.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

I've always been creative, but I think I. My drinking was stifling so much of my potential and my true creativity that once I was able to remove the substance, I was able to, see clearly I didn't quite have a grasp on my purpose, but I had less things in my way obstructing me from getting to that next step, and then the next step and the next step. Just leading with love and trying to be of service to other people, because I just know how important it is. Back to your point around stigma. I think as a black woman, there's still a lot of work to be done in our community around what addiction looks like, and it's not just, you know, like the, these. Archetypes of people who are mostly men I would say like all of the false narratives around what a person who's suffering in addiction looks like. Like I very much look the same as I did four years ago. And I presented this version of self that was. Perfect. But going back to what we discussed, like I am perfectly flawed because I'm human and I recognize now that I'm living more aligned to my true purpose, which is to help other people and to share my story and hear other people's stories and uplift voices like yours, Dr. Nasir. So thank you so much for asking me that question, and also just being of service to other people, especially in. A community that desperately needs more advocacy around mental health and around, healing and not feeling so alone if they are struggling. Because it sounds like a lot of people struggle, but we all put on this, not all many people put on this like persona or this brave face of like. I'm okay.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Exactly. And it's very natural to want to put your best face forward. You that you know. a, a courtesy. However, underneath it, you need to take care of yourself to keep showing up. And because of the way that you transcended your limits today, you are now, you, it helped you find the path that you needed to be

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Absolutely.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

create the impact that you are creating at this time. So, going back to, you know, the message that I was sending, and it's not just for, you know, Muslim men and women. As you said, people of color, you know, native Americans have a really

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Oh yes.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

rate, right? Disappearing and not having closure, like, like Native American women, like, they go missing and nobody goes looking for them.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Mm-hmm.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

It's something that I'm sure the black population has to deal with as well. So instead of giving into the despair, that is the time to harness your purpose because maybe you are meant to be somebody who brings about that change for the better.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Right. That's such, that's such a uplifting way to like wind down this conversation because Yeah. I don't wanna wallow, I want to acknowledge that this, you know, this world can be unfair in many respects, but I also want to. Really use my gifts. And it sounds like, you know, we all have gifts and it's about finding them and harnessing them in a way that can really help other people. And going back to even the anecdote that you gave around the ranking of what we prioritize as a society, like I definitely think being a member of the western world, right? Like we very much. Prioritize materialism and money and things of these nature. But personally don't believe that these things bring us any closer to love or understanding or fulfillment, and they are just distracters. They take you away from what truly matters the soul always knows before, sometimes the conscious mind picks up on that as well. So this has been such an amazing conversation. Dr. Sarah. Thank you so much. I, if it's okay with you, would love to kind of just wind down with a quick game.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

I love games.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

cool. It's a quick, rapid fire game, quick tips or thoughts that come to mind. You don't have to go into too much detail, just whatever comes up first. Okay. So my first question for you, Dr. Sarah, doctor's orders, what is one, what is one wellness practice that you swear by or that you adhere to?

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Feed your soul first.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Mm. I love that. Feed your soul first. how do you feed your soul first?

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Whatever it is that you feel. Needs to be done, that's gonna give you energy. And for different people it's different. For me, it's sitting down and thinking about how to create businesses and how to connect with, you know, networking with people who have that similar. Mindset of wanting to do something big for the world. This is something, yes, this is something that wakes me up at night. Not toxic ambition. There's like a empowering

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Yeah.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

attracted to that. And so these are things that will wake me up in the middle of the night. And even though I'm not sleeping, my usual or what they say, we should be sleeping I'm still energized and I have a lot to do and I see that my output increases. I.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Yeah.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

that's one of the ways you know that this is something that feeds your soul, is that you become more energetic and you can actually sustain it for a long period of time. You show up more powerfully, more present. You don't feel like you're missing out. Basically, you feel like Superman without the steroids.'cause steroids have side effects, right?

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

I feel that way about this podcast because I'm tired. I do like 1,000,001 jobs and this is something that I always feel char energized and charged. I. As I'm creating it, as I'm having these conversations, as I'm brainstorming, as I'm finding guests, et cetera, et cetera. So I am with you there like it is vision because the vision is aligned to my purpose. That is a beautiful answer. Is there a book that has changed your perspective, and if so, can you share that with us?

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

This goes back to spirituality again. This. The one that I like the most is the Quran. that's the book for Muslims, that's like the Bible equivalent for Muslims. I believe this is what helps me understand God and, you know, the beautiful way he speaks. If you can read Arabic or listen to it by a recit that has been my lifelong book and you know, I can't. Think of any other one to say like this. I mean, there's so many books that shape

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Yeah.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

but the, the book that changes my life every time I read it is the forehead.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

That's beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing that.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

course.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

And what is one thing you wish more people knew about addiction?

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

That is a disease. It's treatable. It doesn't need to be stigmatized.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

I love that

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

That's it.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

period. And I also, my last question. Oh, I have two more for you. Okay. Finish the sentence. Healing is,

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

empowering.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Healing is empowering. And my final question for you, Dr. Sarah, what is a mantra or affirmation you return to often?

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Oh, I love this question. If not me, then who? not now, then when?

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

I love that. If not me, then who? If not now, then when? Ah, that's just, if that doesn't get you to act, I dunno what will wake up people. Time is now. I love that. That is so beautiful. And that's such a great full circle moment back to like. If someone is on that healing journey, if somebody wants to change their life, if somebody wants to get serious about their health, and not just the physical vessel, but like in every component that we've addressed today, it's like, yeah, if not me, then who? Who's gonna do it? And if not now, then when. Okay. Time is ticking. You just looked at your watch. Yeah. Time is ticking. Time to get to work people. I love that so much. This has been such a pleasure having you on the show, Dr. Sarah. I would just love to wrap up with an open platform or open the platform up to you to share where listeners can connect with you or work with you and just if you have any upcoming offerings, resources, communities that you'd like to share, now is the perfect time to do so.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Thank you so much Nadine and I once again, thank you so much for having on this show. This has been such a social event for not just like, it doesn't feel like a podcast like interview. It feels like we had fun.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Yes.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

I love the conversation we had. This is the type of social activity that I like to do is just sit and dive deep and just. Refill the soul and come out ready for the next one. And I appreciate you having such a platform

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Thank you

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

you for that.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

for that. Thank you so much for everything.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

And I hope your, your audience enjoys and enjoys this as much as I did. You know, that they feel that connection, that they see themselves in these stories and they are leaving this communication. With power and control over their own story and how their lives are gonna be for the rest of it. Right? And thank you. And so, the ways to reach me if you are in California, you need a doctor who needs to help you with addiction and the other aspects of your health. You're somebody who believes in yourself. Maybe not now, but you do realize that you have a potential and you're itching and driving burning to do something about it. I would love it if you work with me. I'm opening up a, a concierge telemedicine practice to do exactly that. It's gonna be only in California for now. the future, hopefully in other states. It's called Zara Care, and you can find it on www.zara, Z-E-N-A-R-A-C-A-R-E. Dot com. Now, if you wanna work with me as a coach, because you want to bring those brain children to the world and you wanna do something with it, I love birthing brain children's and helping you develop them. Or you want help with addiction without the medical aspect, and you're in other states other than California. Then my coaching program for Transcendent U would be a good one. And this one, Nadine, if you don't mind. Right. Leaving it on a text. It's there's a misspelling in it intentionally. It's called, it is T-R-A-N-S-C-E-N-D-A-N-T-Y-O-U transcendent u.com. Okay.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

I will link everything below in the show notes for folks to find that. Thank you so much, Dr. Sarah. This has been one of my favorite conversations all year. I've learned so much, and you were welcome to come back on the show anytime for the record. So thank you so much, and. I behind the scenes you mentioned if I'm in California I can come hang out with you. I will totally take you up in the offer because I love California and I always

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

love an excuse to travel, so thank you.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

You know, make it a business trip and then maybe we can have a party and it'll be for the podcast. And we'll just, just have like what we call a halal party. Alcohol free.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

love that.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

free. And we'll just bring people who appreciate the sober connection. And we'll just broadcast it. And there you go. It'll be a business

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Write it off.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Yes.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Thank you. So thank

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Of

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

you and I, we brain, I love that.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Okay. Sounds good. Yeah. So yeah, if you guys wanna hang out and have fun, you need that what is it, that stage to just enjoy, keep an eye out on Nadine, maybe Nadine, butterfly and transcendent. You can do something together. Have like a year, maybe we can have a New Year's

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

That would be so much fun. I love New Year's. I really do. I think it's such a great way to like usher in just good vibes for the next year.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Also high time for alcohol,

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

Yes, exactly, exactly. It used to be my favorite hall. It still is one of my top favorite holidays, but for that reason,'cause I could go out and party, but we can still have a good time without alcohol. That's one thing that we preach here at the Sober Butterfly, so

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

I appreciate that.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

asked what to look out for next. Watch out for Butterfly and Transcendent you hosting your next New Year, new Year's Eve.

the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22-2025_190105:

I love that you guys stay tuned.

dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2025_160106:

Yes. Bye.